Possible bug with the GUI on Amiga 68k

[airsoftsoftwair]

(asking for the third time now) What is your MUI version?

[Juan Carlos]

(asking for the third time now) What is your MUI version?

You start, as always, blaming others, I told you that 3.5, the same as Hollywood 9.1 and earlier, worked, this is only indicative to help you improve the product, you can correct it or not, it doesn't matter to me, we'll see, your future Amiga classic buyers, if you have them.
Also you can also blame it on the fact that I use AfA OS, using WinUAE, etc. the earth is round, etc. Only I try to help you, but as you do not listen.
Same system Amiga OS 3.9 AfA OS MUI 3.5 (not the last 4.0) Hollywood 9.1 and lower working , Hollywood 10.0 not. Amiga OS3.2 without MUI 3.5 neither 4.0, Hollywood 10 same problem, but this case to haven't MUI.
More information?
Thank goodness the next paid Hollywood you release you won't listen to me anymore, because speak of possible bugs or problems with you is like a boxing match, where I'm the one to blame or third parties are, because Hollywood works super well.

[plouf]

I really think you have check mui verion wrong
Mui version 3,5 is very old and unsupported
Minimun version in general is 3,8 with 4.0 to be highly recomended

Latest version 5 is always good to have...
https://github.com/amiga-mui/muidev/rel ... 0-20210831

Seems odd thought thebehaviur is true. Is there a change to be mui specific config? I mena the mui arow gadget ON the windows itself . To have a config about size ?

[airsoftsoftwair]

I really think you have check mui verion wrong
Mui version 3,5 is very old and unsupported
Minimun version in general is 3,8 with 4.0 to be highly recomended

Yeah, MUI 3.5 doesn't make any sense at all. MUI 3.5 is from 1996 and lacks several features required by Hollywood. I don't think he's actually using MUI at all. Since he mentioned that he is using AfA OS I suspect he's running an 68k backport of Zune but this is just a MUI emulator and it's not MUI at all. Zune has all kinds of issues, this seems to be another one. It should be reported to the Zune authors. I can't be blamed for all sorts of Zune incompatibilities. @Juan Carlos: use the real MUI, not a MUI emulator. Why would anyone use Zune on 68k anyway? Using Zune only makes sense on AROS because MUI isn't available for AROS.

Amiga OS3.2 without MUI 3.5 neither 4.0, Hollywood 10 same problem

Huh? The Hollywood 10 GUI won't run without MUI at all, so this doesn't make sense.

[Juan Carlos]

I really think you have check mui verion wrong
Mui version 3,5 is very old and unsupported
Minimun version in general is 3,8 with 4.0 to be highly recomended

Yeah, MUI 3.5 doesn't make any sense at all. MUI 3.5 is from 1996 and lacks several features required by Hollywood. I don't think he's actually using MUI at all. Since he mentioned that he is using AfA OS I suspect he's running an 68k backport of Zune but this is just a MUI emulator and it's not MUI at all. Zune has all kinds of issues, this seems to be another one. It should be reported to the Zune authors. I can't be blamed for all sorts of Zune incompatibilities. @Juan Carlos: use the real MUI, not a MUI emulator. Why would anyone use Zune on 68k anyway? Using Zune only makes sense on AROS because MUI isn't available for AROS.

Amiga OS3.2 without MUI 3.5 neither 4.0, Hollywood 10 same problem

Huh? The Hollywood 10 GUI won't run without MUI at all, so this doesn't make sense.

I am blaming you for the fact that Hollywood 10.0 does not work now with my AmigaOS3.9 when the previous ones did, I only inform you of these potential problems for your potential clients, the MUI problem is the existence of the two versions 3.5 and 4.0 and the incompatibilities with the programs, although I update it with the libraries that are periodically updated, it is inevitable that these problems will occur. To this we must add that it is impossible for you to try Hollywood with all the variations of the system because you do not have one company that does things in common and depends too much on third parties.

The AmigaOS 3.2 thing is informative for your potential clients now that the operating system runs on Vampires, Rasberry Pi, emulation, and real Amigas. It is obvious that without MUI it does not work, it was just a comparative example and to help you.

But I still think that talking to you has turned it into a boxing match, because sometimes you don't like me talking about possible errors, it is impossible to make a program that works on so many operating systems when in cases like the Amiga 68k or Linux there are so many variety of systems, such as the AmigaOS4 and the F.E. and the Enchacer pack, it is impossible to have them all, due to time, money, etc.

[Juan Carlos]

I found the solution to the problem, trying things on AmigaOS 3.2, I did the installation of MUI 3.8, without success Hollywood 10.0 does not work, next step MUI 4.0, first problem the Installer fails, it calls the Installer and now this system uses Install, solution change in the icon the call to Install following problem, the installation starts and gives a system error with the Reboot-Suspension message, solution copy it by hand, and now Hollywood 10.0 actually opens the requesters fine, now I do the same with AmigaOS 3.9 and indeed now Wow, conclusions with MUI 3.8 or lower Hollywood does not work, the MUI 4.0 and 5.0 installers fail in Amiga OS.3.2, and some installer that installs the MUI classes in the normal Libs also creates these problems.
But since not everything is perfect now with MUI 4.0 in Amiga OS 3.2, some things fail like the DiskOptimizer and it does not show the icons in the MUI window, but at least Hollywood works in 3.9 with AfA_OS and in 3.2.

[jPV]

I tried Hollywood 10 with few emulated 68k setups now, and it did work on all of them no matter which MUI version I was using. I tried with AmigaForever 3.X (MUI 3.8) and AmiKit with MUI 3.8 and MUI 5.0. When lowering the resolution, fonts and buttons scaled smaller, but they did work still. Or if I set a way too small resolution (x256 or so), then Hollywood GUI didn't open at all. So I don't know.. for me it doesn't look like being about MUI version. Maybe about MUI setup (too much borders or something set for buttons) or some other GUI hack that's installed? Or have you snapshotted your executable selection window or something... I wonder why it's so low on your screenshot...

[Juan Carlos]

I tried Hollywood 10 with few emulated 68k setups now, and it did work on all of them no matter which MUI version I was using. I tried with AmigaForever 3.X (MUI 3.8) and AmiKit with MUI 3.8 and MUI 5.0. When lowering the resolution, fonts and buttons scaled smaller, but they did work still. Or if I set a way too small resolution (x256 or so), then Hollywood GUI didn't open at all. So I don't know.. for me it doesn't look like being about MUI version. Maybe about MUI setup (too much borders or something set for buttons) or some other GUI hack that's installed? Or have you snapshotted your executable selection window or something... I wonder why it's so low on your screenshot...

The problem is to install MUI and the paches, updates, etc., they can cause strange things with some program, now for example for Amga OS 3.2 MUI 5.0 and Hollywood works fine, but the installer of MUI crashes, I copied the files manually and the DiskOptimizer with MUI installed doesn't work, is the problem of Amiga 68k with so teams and people working every man for himself, this problem doesn't happen on MorphOS because there is the same direction, but with AmigaOS 4.x the problems with two directions will cause the same problem as in 68k and I read some of this in this forum.

[airsoftsoftwair]

or some other GUI hack that's installed?

It's Zune *cough*, part of AfA OS (see above). Doesn't surprise me at all that this has issues. MUI is a complex piece of software.